This episode features a live, unedited conversation between Jeannette Stawski, Author of The Outdoor Leader and Executive Director of the Association of Outdoor Recreation and Education, and Dan Wanschura, Host and Executive Producer of Points North Podcast at the Michigan Outdoor Summit.

Jeannette shares her journey of becoming a whitewater rafting guide, the transformative power of outdoor leadership, and the importance of embracing failure and responsibility. Together, they discuss the importance of leadership in everyday life, resilience in the face of challenges, and how outdoor experiences can shape personal and professional growth.